00:05:53 this mcellan thing is pretty interesting hm? 00:08:25 huh? 00:13:00 A good introduction to programming is always game programming :) 00:13:05 It's entertaining at the same time. 00:13:10 true 00:13:13 depends on the game 00:13:21 it can get pretty complicated once game theory comes into play : 00:13:22 :) 00:35:34 Oh, sure. 00:49:48 *** synthasee has quit (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 00:57:51 *** synthasee (n=synthase@69.254.170.145) has joined #bioinformatics 01:02:04 *** synthase (n=synthase@69.254.170.145) has joined #bioinformatics 01:15:12 *** synthasee has quit (Connection timed out) 02:51:18 *** kanzure has parted #bioinformatics ("Leaving.") 05:08:37 *** synthase has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:07:12 *** pingou has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:17:10 *** nordlicht (n=nordlich@141.53.70.85) has joined #bioinformatics 07:32:25 *** nordlicht has quit ("Verlassend") 07:45:52 *** nordlicht (n=nordlich@141.53.70.85) has joined #bioinformatics 08:26:58 *** _dan has quit (leguin.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:27:56 *** _dan (n=dan@shady.org) has joined #bioinformatics 09:56:50 *** highvoltz has quit (Client Quit) 10:49:07 *** nordlicht has quit ("Verlassend") 11:04:11 *** highvoltz (i=rogers@bling.bling.org) has joined #bioinformatics 11:09:06 *** toru (n=gioby@81-208-83-234.fastres.net) has joined #bioinformatics 12:13:25 *** pingou (n=Pingou@fedora/pingou) has joined #bioinformatics 12:14:50 *** toru has quit (Remote closed the connection) 12:53:16 *** pingou has quit ("Share is the base of the knowledge... ;-)") 12:56:19 *** nsh- (n=chatzill@wikipedia/nsh) has joined #bioinformatics 14:07:29 *** ChanServ has quit (Shutting Down) 14:09:08 *** nsh- has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:12:27 bye bye chanserv :-/ 14:13:47 does that qualify as a net split? 14:14:12 no 14:14:19 a netsplit is if a server desyncs 14:14:44 here, ironically, the servers are intact, it's just the ChanServ bot that went away 14:15:13 <_dan> 16:56 [freenode] -christel(i=christel@freenode/staff/exherbo.christel)- [Global Notice] Hi all! 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Thanks. 14:15:25 yeah 14:16:02 *** toru (n=gioby@81-208-83-234.fastres.net) has joined #bioinformatics 14:24:47 *** toru has quit ("Ex-Chat") 15:33:48 *** ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) has joined #bioinformatics 16:51:10 *** levitation[A] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:08:15 *** flima (i=[U2FsdGV@centaur.acm.jhu.edu) has joined #bioinformatics 17:08:22 hi 17:08:53 <_dan> evening :) 17:08:53 *** flima has quit (Client Quit) 17:08:57 *** flima (i=[U2FsdGV@centaur.acm.jhu.edu) has joined #bioinformatics 17:09:14 whats this field about? bioinformatics 17:09:59 <_dan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioinformatics 17:10:06 <_dan> is a reasonable enough overview 17:10:08 <_dan> :) 17:10:48 are you guys working in this field? 17:12:17 <_dan> most people in here are either working in or studying bioinformatics yes 17:12:26 <_dan> although they're often very quiet :) 17:13:37 so you got to have double majors? 17:13:42 biology+CS? 17:14:05 not really 17:14:07 <_dan> im English so I can't really comment on the education systems abroad 17:15:05 <_dan> most people in the UK have first degrees in either a biological or a computing science, followed up with a masters or PhD in bioinformatics 17:15:31 some people are even just MDs :) 17:15:51 although you find MD/PhDs a bit more often 17:16:03 <_dan> the MD's at my place do more bioinformatics than most of the bench researchers anyway :P 17:17:03 I dont have to know about informatics in order to be in this field, correct? 17:17:21 the "informatics" needed should be simple 17:17:24 you can pick it up 17:17:32 informatics is a huge term :) 17:17:53 the most general definition would include something from library sciences, actually 17:18:28 and whats is it that you do in this field? 17:18:59 by this field you mean "bioinformatics" or "informatics" in general? 17:19:26 bioinformatics 17:19:31 * _dan does a bit of stats, a bit of sysadmin, a bit of coding, a bit of databasing... 17:19:43 and informatics too 17:20:13 applying the power of computing to biology, whether it's to manage the shitload of information that's being generated daily or statistical analysis, datamining, or even computational simulation 17:20:27 ahh 17:20:32 sounds interesting :) 17:21:50 computers are good at crunching numbers, storing data, and generating pretty pictures 17:22:06 much better than people, usually 17:22:35 yea I guess 17:22:38 informatics in general, as an emerging branch of library sciences largely pertains to the information management parts 17:22:57 how to organize information, retrieve it efficiently, how to figure what to keep and what not to keep etc. 17:23:06 classification 17:23:17 thats not the definition I know 17:23:34 since humans require structure to function among the data 17:23:35 informatics is basically everything related to technology in general 17:24:01 informatics derives from information, so you must start there 17:24:10 here is a useful hierachy 17:24:23 <_dan> but not a useful ontology 17:24:59 you have raw data (numbers, results, stuff). To make sense of it all, you abstract their relationships into chunks known as information 17:25:40 so in the computer aspect of things, you must know how to use databases then? 17:25:45 then you abstract various information chunks to form a cohesive new idea; it begets this concept known as "knowledge". The application of information 17:26:30 _dan: yeah that's the classification bit, to create an ontology to describe and ascribe meaning to the data/information 17:27:15 bioinformatics seems like a good field to working in 17:27:17 flima: sure, but databases come in all different shapes and sizes 17:28:17 again, from the library perspective: the act of cataloguing books is to index them in a database in such a way as to sufficiently build a system to describe various collections of books and why people might want to read them 17:30:49 like I said, we as humans, in order to make sense of all of this "stuff" around us, we have to organize them into buckets, labeled with symbols that we can get other people to understand 17:31:50 ok 17:32:53 pretty cool 17:33:50 bbl 17:34:20 *** flima has quit ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17:39:29 *** ChanServ has quit (shutting down) 17:41:55 *** ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) has joined #bioinformatics 17:49:11 *** kanzure (n=bryan@cpe-70-113-54-112.austin.res.rr.com) has joined #bioinformatics 17:52:36 *** highvoltz has quit (Client Quit) 18:22:14 *** highvoltz (i=rogers@bling.bling.org) has joined #bioinformatics 19:13:59 *** synthasee (n=synthase@69.254.170.145) has joined #bioinformatics 22:52:29 *** synthasee has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:14:58 *** synthasee (n=synthase@69.254.170.145) has joined #bioinformatics